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Lycaon pictus
 Posted: Aug 1 2015, 01:48 PM
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Decided to separate this from the general politics thread. Because America.

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So, are we all prepared to accept our new overlord? Will Disney have to slap Trump's name on the Hall of Presidents ride after the election? How will US millennials form their opinions without Jon Stewart? Maybe Elizabeth Warren will run if we ask really really reeeeeaaaaally nicely? Does Bernie Sanders have a snowball's chance?

The Competitors

The Democratic Party

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Who - Lincoln Chafee.
Who? - Former Senator from and Governor of Rhode Island; Chafee used to be part of the Republican Party and eventually left the party after losing to Sheldon Whitehouse in 2007. He ran for Governor of Rhode Island as an Independent and switched to the Democratic Party in 2013.
Strengths - Track record of working with both parties, voters like Governors.
Weaknesses - Less name recognition than the other candidates.

Who - Hillary Rodham Clinton.
Who? - Seriously?
Strengths - Name recognition, tons of political experience and connections, and Aura of Inevitability after the last election.
Weaknesses - Voter fatigue before the election has even happened.

Who - Martin O' Malley
Who? - Former Mayor of Baltimore and Governor of Maryland.
Strengths - Again, voters like Governors and has strong liberal credentials.
Weaknesses - Same as Chafee really though with the additional problem of the next candidate preventing him from grabbing headlines by running to the left of Clinton. Seems more like Veep material than anything else.

Who - Bernie Sanders
Who? - Socialist Senator from Vermont that is running as a Democrat.
Strengths - Dedicated core of volunteers and gets media attention by running to the left of Clinton.
Weaknesses - Big money donors are terrified of him.

Who - Jim Webb
Who? - Former Senator from Virginia and Secretary of the Navy.
Strengths - Political moderate, military experience.
Weaknesses - Same problem as everybody who isn't Hillary or Sanders. Being in the military doesn't pull voters like it used to.

Also potentially in the mix.

Who - "Laughing" Joe Biden
Who? - Seriously?
Strengths - Sitting Vice President, fairly well liked by voters.
Weaknesses - Has a tendency to say things without thinking them through. Hasn't actually announced yet. Age is also an issue.


The Republican Party

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Who - Jeb Bush
Who? - Former Governor of Florida. Son of George H.W. Bush and brother of George W. Bush.
Strengths - Name recognition, moderate Republican, and voters like Governors.
Weaknesses - The primary voters don't want moderates, tends to say things that will be used against him, and name recognition.

Who - Ben Carson
Who? - Neurosurgeon. Gained attention for speech at National Prayer Breakfast.
Strengths - Religious conservative.
Weaknesses - No real political accomplishments. Will have a lot of competition from better known, better funded rivals.

Who - Chris Christie
Who? - Governor of New Jersey
Strengths - Fairly well known; aggressive with reporters. Blahblahblah Govenors.
Weaknesses - Nobody really likes him that much anymore; his polling numbers are terrible and he has a ton of baggage because of scandals in office.

Who - Ted Cruz
Who? - Senator from Texas
Strengths - Diehard conservative that has gotten a lot of attention recently.
Weaknesses - Most of that attention hasn't been positive. Also announced early and was hammered by rivals from the start.

Who - Carly Fiorina
Who? - Former CEO of Hewlett-Packard
Strengths - Business experience is a plus for many Republicans.
Weaknesses - No real political experience; ran a disastrous campaign for Senator of California against Barbara Boxer in 2010.

Who - Lindsay Graham
Who? - Senator from South Carolina
Strengths - Hawkish policies will be liked by GOP. Has a decent bipartisan record.
Weaknesses - Disliked by Tea Party.

Who - Mike Huckabee
Who? - Former Governor of Arkansas
Strengths - Decent name recognition, credentials as religious conservative will help in primaries. Governors etc.
Weaknesses - Lacks appeal outside of religious conservatives; threw away fairly good reputation as moderate in pursuit of that crowd.

Who - Bobby Jindal
Who? - Governor of Louisiana
Strengths - Strong conservative credentials. Voters yadda, yadda, yadda Governors.
Weaknesses - His ethnicity and religion might be a tough sell to certain elements of the GOP. Probably best known outside of Louisiana for a disastrous response to the State of the Union address.

Who - John Kasich
Who? - Governor of Ohio
Strengths - Second verse, same as the first. Lengthy political career.
Weaknesses - Angered Tea Party with Medicaid expansion; his campaign is just sort of there so far.

Who - Scott Walker
Who? - Governor of Wisconsin
Strengths - Wealthy patrons in the Koch Brothers; strong conservative credentials. Guv'nor.
Weaknesses - Not particularly well liked even in his own state. Having tons of money works better on the state level than the national one.

Who - Rick Perry
Who? - Former Governor of Texas
Strengths - Name recognition and strong conservative credentials. Former Guv'nor.
Weaknesses - His 2012 primary performance was pretty terrible.

Who - Marco Rubio
Who? - Senator from Florida.
Strengths - Tea Party darling.
Weaknesses - His thunder has been stolen by other candidates; best known for looking like a water-sipping deer in headlights during a response to the SotU.

Who - Rick Santorum
Who? - Former Senator from Pennsylvania.
Strengths - Conservative credentials.
Weaknesses - Name recognition. Make sure you search his full name if you want information about the actual guy. Poor track record in Presidential primaries.

Who - Donald Trump
Who? - Businessman, reality show TV star, walking hairpiece.
Strengths - Name recognition. Has a knack for saying things that gets media attention.
Weaknesses - Just because people know who he is, doesn't mean that they like him. The GOP establishment hates him.

Who - Jim Gilmore
Who? - Former Governor of Virginia.
Strengths - Moderate Republican; seems to be positioning himself as the "Adult in the Room".
Weaknesses - Announced really, really late, which hurts his chances of getting into first debate.

Who - George Pataki
Who? - Former Governor of New York
Strengths - Actually won on a state level in New York as a Republican. Also 9/11.
Weaknesses - Pataki is running?

Who - Rand Paul
Who? - Senator from Kentucky, son of Ron Paul.
Strengths - Tea Party darling.
Weaknesses - Pretty much fallen off the face of the Earth because of other candidates, particularly Trump, poaching his support base.


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Primary Debate Schedule

GOP Primary Debates

Aug 6, 2015
Fox News

Sept 16, 2015
CNN

Oct 28, 2015
CNBC

Nov, 2015 [TBD]
Fox Business/Wall Street Journal

Dec, 15, 2015
CNN

Jan, 2016 [TBD]
Fox News

Feb 6, 2016
ABC

Feb 13, 2016
CBS

Feb 26, 2016
NBC/Telemundo

March 2016 [TBD]
Fox News

March 10, 2016
CNN

Democrat Primary Debates

Oct 13, 2015
CNN

Nov 14th, 2015
CBS

Dec 19, 2015
ABC

Jan 17, 2016
NBC

Feb or March 2016 [TBD]
Univision

Feb or March 2016 [TBD]
PBS

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Kaiolino
 Posted: Aug 1 2015, 01:51 PM
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Spoilers: Hilary wins and veers to the right to please republicans like her husband did.
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Supernature
 Posted: Aug 1 2015, 01:53 PM
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It seems I might have to take back what I said about Bernie Sanders not having a chance because of his age... I'm now told he has raised significant amounts of money for his campaign (like, more than Obama) and is still gaining steam. We'll see.

If Hillary gets it, I'm hoping the rest of the party keeps her in check or something. She's what I hate the most about Obama (v corporatist) times a thousand.
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Lycaon pictus
 Posted: Aug 1 2015, 02:06 PM
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Agree Supes, except what I hate most about Obama is his hawkishness--which Hillary also beats him on.
Honestly, I don't know what to make of this Bernie Sanders thing. I am very much concerned about splitting the party before the election. Bernie's popularity is with upper middle class, white millennials. I'm not certain if he has the name recognition to appeal to the rest of the Obama coalition. I'm also concerned that Hillary has that name recognition, and money, and not much else. I'm kinda leaning towards a unity ticket, personally.

My absolute worst fear is having to suffer through Bush the Trilogy because of this Clinton/Sanders debacle.

QUOTE (Kaiolino @ Aug 1 2015, 05:51 PM)
Spoilers: Hilary wins and veers to the right to please republicans like her husband did.

Well at the time, the Dems were in a huge political hole for being "soft on crime" and fiscally irresponsible. The centrist appeal of the Clinton campaign is likely the only reason the party was able to pull itself out of oblivion

That said, it was a different era. Today leftist ideology is more en vouge. I feel like she would cater to what the party wants/what is politically advantageous. She has already started parroting Elizabeth Warren's ideas for that very reason.
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Beezzi
 Posted: Aug 1 2015, 02:21 PM
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Well in the Clinton marriage - Hillary was the smart, motivated one from the moment they met. Bill at times floated along on her coat tails. Her achievements post-collage/pre-running for president - was arguably better than his.

But she knew the US and the democrats wouldn't accept a female nominee, so she settled for being first lady.

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Supernature
 Posted: Aug 1 2015, 02:26 PM
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Two things:

i) I have to ask because I have an outside perspective, but it seems to me that in terms of economic stewardship, the two parties are increasingly difficult to differentiate (both playing into the hands of corporations / lobbies, etc...), like some people said in the OT thread.
But does the average American still perceive them as different in this department ? Do they cast their vote entirely based on the parties' positions on social issues ? Are they even aware of the interactions between the two concepts ?

ii) I'd like to know more about the Democrat candidates' positions on foreign affairs / policies. More specifically, what they plan to do in the Middle East. Have they said anything about it ?
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Kaiolino
 Posted: Aug 1 2015, 02:30 PM
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Hilary was in favour of militarily supporting the Syrian rebels after Assad used chemical weapons in 2013 (Obama's red line that he didn't stick to). She also voted in favour of the Iraq invasion, though in her defense, voting against would have been career suicide in the political climate that Bush, his cronies and the media created during that time period.
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Kaiolino
 Posted: Aug 1 2015, 02:44 PM
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Edited the first post with general nonsense.
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Beezzi
 Posted: Aug 1 2015, 02:44 PM
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True as well...

I'd like someone else, but seems the democrats are going full steam on Hilary.

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PatriX
 Posted: Aug 1 2015, 02:45 PM
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QUOTE (Supernature @ Aug 1 2015, 05:26 PM)
Two things:

i) I have to ask because I have an outside perspective, but it seems to me that in terms of economic stewardship, the two parties are increasingly difficult to differentiate (both playing into the hands of corporations / lobbies, etc...), like some people said in the OT thread.
But does the average American still perceive them as different in this department ? Do they cast their vote entirely based on the parties' positions on social issues ? Are they even aware of the interactions between the two concepts ?



sorry for interfering in your discussion, but I only wanted to say that yes,
the current trend is social issues. anything else seems to be irrelevant,
and it's a trend that is observable everywhere.

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